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Randy in the Burgh
On 13 Jun 2004 at 04:57
Hey, SRB,.

I agree with just about all that you say, although since I was until recently one of those liberals, I try to keep my comments more on the topic and less on any assumptions I might have about others posting on this site. However, I will make an exception here, for I agree fully with your statement...

"I think what we really know about Iraqi schools, water and electric systems and so forth is not broadcast on CNN, MSNBC and the like. ".

Though I am a democrat, I will be voting for Bush because he sees the same real values that our former President, Ronald Reagan saw (God, Family and love of country) and I feel as if we as a nation are entering into a period where it will be those who see God as the source of truth and morals versus those who think that we don't need a God and that Humans can redefine morality. Straight out of the Old Testament...God did weigh in on that one.

But as those who do run this website do admonish us from time to time, we do digress from the real issue. I know from listening to Christian Radio, that he is listening about Iraq.

Randy in the Burgh.

Neal
On 15 Jun 2004 at 14:18
Damon Borrelli and at least one supporter think we need an effort called Operation American Children. Howee 88 hit it on the head (below).

Damon Borrelli
On 26 Jun 2004 at 22:26
Neal,Two things: 1) I hope you are not referring to the education of americans as a waste of money. I commend you Howie 88, you are a very wise person.

Randy in the Burgh
On 27 Jun 2004 at 05:54
Damon,.

No doubt I am one of the religious fanatics that you are referring to. I think that is pretty tragic.

Fanatics to me are people who just are so into one thing that all else is driven out. My son just got back from summer camp with the boy scouts.

I am a democrat but I will be voting for Bush because he is not constantly changing his position on things and he is the commander in chief in this new war. And plenty of people "found God" as they struggled through that.

Well, I found God after 9/11. And the ones doing the smacking are usually the neighboring Arab peoples (relatives from back in Abraham's days).

Ever wonder why the terrorists keep saying "God willing...". And soverign over all.

Randy.

tbigs
On 01 Jul 2004 at 19:49
As I read all of these postings I am reminded of the fact that in the year 2000 President Bush ran as the "Great Uniter". That's all we get is partisan bickering back and forth about George Bush's religious beliefs and John Kerry's supposed flip flopping.

If you have such blind devotion to a certain political party that you would fill up this well intended site with partisan garbage - then I suggest you take a step back and reevaluate yourself and the leader you support. Be it Iraq, Sudan, Latin America or AMERICA!.

Sorry for the "senior citizen" scolding... But I felt it was do.

Best regards,TBiggs.

Randy in the Burgh
On 02 Jul 2004 at 04:41
TBiggs,.

Sorry if I for one did get sidetracked and ramble on there on politics and not keep it short and sweet. I apologize for being too lengthy.

I agree with you that the children should stay the focus. They help both children and adults in both Afghanistan and Iraq and one of their big drives now is to get sewing machines over there into Iraq.

I think that one reason why so many are pitching in to help OIC is that when our forces are involved with battles over seas, we tend to be generous to a fault to the nations involved. Enough said.

Randy.

tbiggs
On 02 Jul 2004 at 14:28
Randy,.

You're right on. link.

Best regards,tbiggs.

Kerry4President2004
On 02 Jul 2004 at 17:29
Originally posted by: Randy in the Burgh.

"I am a democrat but I will be voting for Bush because he is not constantly changing his position on things and he is the commander in chief in this new war.".

Democrat my arse, lol. You are completely clueless if you thing Bush hasn't changed his positions on various issues, they don't call him the "flip-flopper in-chief" for nothing.

From the beginning, George W. It is going to be important for the president to be credible with Congress, important for the president to be credible with foreign nations." But President Bush's serial flip-flopping raises serious questions about whether Congress and foreign leaders can rely on what he says.

1. OPEC.

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BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES..."What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00].

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...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04].

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2. Iraq Funding.

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BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004..."We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04].

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…BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 “I am requesting that Congress establish a billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops.” [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04].

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3. Condoleeza Rice Testimony.

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BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'...“Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference.” [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04].

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…BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: “Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony.” [President Bush, 3/30/04].

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4. Science.

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BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00].

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...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04].

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5. Ahmed Chalabi.

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BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03].

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...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE"U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04].

6. Department of Homeland Security.

BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02].

...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02].

7. Weapons of Mass Destruction.

BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories…for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03].

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04].

8. Free Trade.

BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02].

...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03].

9. Osama Bin Laden.

BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01].

...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA “I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him… I truly am not that concerned about him.” [President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02].

10. The Environment.

BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to…establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00].

...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03].

11. WMD Commission.

BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04].

...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04].

12. Creation of the 9/11 Commission.

BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02].

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02].

13. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission.

BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04].

...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04].

14. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony.

BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday." [NY Times, 2/26/04].

...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04].

15. Gay Marriage.

BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00].

...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04].

16. Nation Building.

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... Bush, 10/3/00].

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03].

17. Saddam/al Qaeda Link.

BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02].

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03].

18. U.N. Resolution.

BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03].

...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03].

19. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict.

BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area." [President Bush, 04/05/02].

...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President Bush, 5/23/03].

20. Campaign Finance.

BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000].

...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02].

Randy in the Burgh
On 04 Jul 2004 at 03:56
Hey, Kerry4President2004,.

Interesting list. I was referring to election campaign stands (and no, I don't want to debate those as well).

I suggest that you find a political website and go there with your list. Enough said.

Randy.

Damon Borrelli
On 07 Jul 2004 at 15:37
I just wanted to reiterate that my original intention here was to simply state my own personal feelings about this site, and how I feel that resources are better allocated at home rather than abroad regardless of how worse off any other nation is. That is not to say that I am an isolationist, once America is at 100%, I have no problem helping others, but only after we have reached that goal here at home.I will say this though, as one who is still undecided as to where my vote will go in November, and has never voted Democrat in the past (and probably never will), Kerry4President2004 does seem to make some pretty valid points.

Yvette
On 07 Jul 2004 at 17:24
I know that we have problems in this country. America is a Giving Country and wants to help others have the same freedons.

God Bless America!!!.

Keri
On 07 Jul 2004 at 19:15
To Kerry4President2004,.

A. .

B. Twice....

Sorry for such a graphic post, but this was the reality of that country and there are just too many people in this country who either have no clue as to what was happening, or don't want to burden themselves with the facts of their pain. Time for a reality check.

suzanne benoit
On 17 Jul 2004 at 18:21
Well, I've heard some very interesting points of view from both sides. .

I blame the negative media and negative hollywood opportunists like Michael Moore. And that is coming from a Democrat!!!.

Those who sit back and just complain need to put up or shut up. .

Maybe with role models like Gary SInise and Laura Hillenbrand who are showing their support, we can turn this country around and stop the growing terrorism that is emerging with our own young citizens by being a good example.

Randy in the Burgh
On 18 Jul 2004 at 05:38
I think it is about time we hear from the Iraqi's themselves...you can get on the Iraqi blogs by going to the website at the end of this message. Food for thought...

THE MESOPOTAMIANTO BRING ONE MORE IRAQI VOICE OF THE SILENT MAJORITY TO THE ATTENTION OF THE WORLD.

Thursday, July 15, 2004THE MERCIFUL Hi,.

Well, of course the Arabs are our brothers in so far as we are an Arabic speaking people. It would be even nicer if they could actually stop perpetrating these rather unfriendly acts.

Also, somewhat it seems to us that cutting the heads of hostages is not a particularly good way of illustrating the Arab and Islamic nobility of spirit; especially if it is done in the name of Allah. Perhaps we are not sufficiently well trained philosophically and too ignorant to appreciate the finer points of theology and the relationship between beheadings and various forms of murder to monotheism and Jihad in the name of The Merciful, the Compassionate.

Also we thought that our religion preached tolerance and kindness towards others, but it seems that our lamentable ignorance of theology led us to these erroneous misconceptions. Do we have sneaking suspicions that these ancient creeds have crept back into your system of belief.

Oh, yes; Oh brothers and venerable Sheiks with the correct size of beards, we are in dire need of explanation from you to save us from our utter disbelief and bewilderment concerning your ways. We are in state of shock that threatens the very foundation of our own faith.

Salaam.

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# posted by Alaa : 5:36 PM.

For more of the truth and for a variety of views from within Iraq, go to http://www.healingiraq.blogspot.com.

Randy in the Burgh, praying for those innocent people and their children over there in Iraq.

Damon Borrelli
On 20 Jul 2004 at 16:40
Randy,I'm quite puzzled by that last post. And at what price.

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