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R
On 06 Aug 2004 at 17:32
Damon

First off, I was talking more about posts like the ones "Newsflash" posted.

Second - Dare we forget that we have the freedom such as freedom of speech, thanks to the many who gave their lives defending that freedom ? Military cemeteries offer ample evidence of that.

Third - Freedom of speech does not apply to internet newsgroups, message boards, etc.,etc. Those are actually part of a voluntary contract the user agrees to when they join or post - to follow the TOS for that site or group, etc.etc. Just for the record. I don't know if you are saying otherwise. But, I"ve heard it so often before on a forum or in a chat room: "My freedom of speech is being violated !"

Well, no it isn't. Actually we are all guests of whoever is paying the bandwidth here, and THEY set the rules of exchange.

Who's being "so antagonistic" anyway ? You sound a bit defensive. You say it shouldn't bother others if you post a contrary view. Do you act the same if someone disagrees with YOU however ? It's a fair question.

My main point was actually that we should respect why this board exists. It isn't for political debate or dissension (and did I say that YOU posted those things ? No, but it seems you are inviting it, I will say). It is to help children of an impoverished country. Who's helping those children ? Soldiers are handing out much needed supplies.

So yes I get a bit tired of seeing those same soldiers 'knocked'. No matter what anyone thinks of the war (and don't anyone assume you know what I think please), that is not at issue here, or shouldn't be IMO. Lest energy and attention be diverted from the issue at hand - which is, to help the kids.

Again - there ARE plenty of other places on the internet to discuss what people think is wrong about the war, but I think people get tired of preaching to the choir at those places, and want to come someplace where there is lots of traffic. To me, that is wrong and it's also rude.

My second point last time was that, just because the board mods are polite enough to leave room for opposing opinions doesn't mean that it's a great thing to do. Just because someone doesn't kick someone out of a dinner party for being loud, doesn't mean it is the way to be.

Just my opinion. Since you say you want people to express their opinions and all that. ;oP

R

Now that was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek. Try not to read all my words with a preconceived notion that I'm "antagonistic" towards you. It really has nothing to do with "you" per se, anyway, actually.

Randy in the Burgh
On 06 Aug 2004 at 04:05
Damon,

Hey, I don't mind free debate on this site as long as we don't go too far off in any other direction.

This program is linked to Operation Iraqi Freedom whether we like it or not, for the future of these kids will be effected tremendously by what type of Government emerges in Iraq. Personally, I wish that no more Americans were lost in trying to see OIF through. But war is war and there will be more casualties. I have said before and I will say it again. God is involved in all of this and at the very least, we can offer prayers for our troops, our civilains in Iraq, the innocent citizens in Iraq and last but not least, the children of Iraq (for they are captive spectators and are the truely innocent ones...and God holds a special place for Children in his heart). I personally believe that as this war goes, so will the fate of our nation. For this is the main battlefront of the war on terror and more Arab terrorists from other countries to come to Iraq than to any other country to wage this war. And now we begin to see signs that the truely innocent citizens and their leaders are standing up for the freedom, for we read today that a cleric and his followers in one of the unstable cities just went into one of these foreign arab "prisons" and freed the hostages. That is the attitude we need more of. It is for the freedom of Iraq and if Iraq emerges as a truely free nation, then the terrorists will have one less country in which they can use as an evil teaching ground.
We tend to get a little complacent here in the good old US of A and we tend to take our freedom for granted. They in Iraq are fighting now for what we fought for in 1776 and I for one am very aware of that and I will continue to be supportive of it .I know God wants me to be. If we all followed God's advice and loved our neighbors (including the peaceful arab ones), there wouldn't be any more wars. But hey, most here in the US no longer keep his words so close to their hearts any more and it's now "get ahead of my neighbor and to heck with international politics".
This program is blessed and I will continue to help with it, for those kids need help (half of the country is 18 or younger). And if you really want to see the kids words for themselves, check out some of the younger Iraqi blogs at www.healingiraq.blogspot.com . I love the one by Raghda with her humorous pictures of cats being bad.

Randy in the Burgh

Damon Borrelli
On 05 Aug 2004 at 15:09
R,
This forum is for "General comments about Operatiion Iraqi Children", not "Only positive comments about Operation Iraqi Children". I don't think that simply stating my personal opinion regarding this site is equilavent to pushing my political views on any one. I also didn't think or intend my original comment to spark such feverent debate of which the hosts of this site have been gracious enough to allow to remain. Wouldn't you agree that healthy debate is one of the foundations of our society that makes us the great nation that we are today? You don't have to be so antagonistic just because someones opinion differs from your own.

Damon Borrelli

R
On 05 Aug 2004 at 09:09
Damon

To me this effort, to help Iraqi children, crosses ALL politics, ALL viewpoints of this war as well.

Sort of like "Doctors without Borders".

And anyone who'd come to this website, which is about helping the children of an impoverished country, in order to stump for their personal political or other agenda, is automatically suspect, in my book.

In other words, this ain't the place to do this.

R

Also the board's patience with opposing views should not be carte blanche for people to think they can post anything they want to. Such as pushing their personal views or agendas. There are tons of other places for that. Ambushing people with anti war views, when people come here to help kids - isn't cool. It's talking 'down' to us, and what's it proving ? Each of us can find debates about this war all over the internet if they wanted to. Are you saying something we haven't heard before ??? So why then do you say it here. Because someone else paid for the bandwidth maybe.

Damon Borrelli
On 05 Aug 2004 at 03:07
First of all let me say that I am appreciative that the moderator has allowed this post to remaine dispite the fact that my opinon differs from the majority here. Even though I question the political motivations a foot, I think that alone says a lot about the character of this organization.

There seems to be a direct correlation between people who support this site and people who support the war in Iraq. Which leads me to question: How many brave American soldiers lives are worth the freedom of Iraq?

Randy in the Burgh
On 25 Jul 2004 at 04:22
Damon and others,

More good stuff from The Mesopotamian...

Saturday, July 24, 2004
T.G.A,

You are indeed falling prey to the Media as noted by another friend. You may be interested to know that we, who are in the middle of it all, see a definite improvement in the overall security situation already, believe it or not. As for the terrorism and the "insurgency", nobody was expecting that it will just disappear suddenly. In fact, we expected much worse. The enemy has no agenda, no clear political objective, he is just desperately striking left and right and committing more and more terrible atrocities that will only increase the hatred and repulsion against him; while the offensive against him by the patriotic Iraqis is gaining momentum. The majority are going to get stronger and stronger, and this is already observable in the new security formations. We are in the thick of it and don't feel discouraged at all.

As the Russian general said in "War and Peace" : Patience and Time, Time and Patience.

Salaam

Alaa

Randy in the Burgh
On 23 Jul 2004 at 06:52
Damon,

Thanks for your post and your questions. This is my second attempt to reply to your message...I typed up a long one yesterday and posted it and saw it on the list but then when I checked it out later, it was gone. Not sure what happened there.

Yes, I am praying for all of our people over in Iraq...the soldiers, the civil contractors, the missions people and those in programs like this one...as well as for the innocent Iraqi's.

The more I read of these Iraq blogs, the better I understand their take on all of this. The Mesopotamian has many great posts and I think he has a very good take on all of it. The silent majority do want this freedom and they are becoming more and more frustrated at the "brother" Islamic Arabs who have come into their country to do Jihad (for they more often kill the innocent iraqis and they do tear down the country's infrastructure). And the Baathists? They just want back into power. You can tell who are responsible for some of the attacks, for suicide bombers would be the fanatical arabs from other countries,for the baathists want back into power and not to become bomb fragments.

My anguish is with much of our media, for they do put a spin on a lot of the info to make it seem like it was a huge mistake to go over to Iraq in the first place. But the blogs don't back up that thesis. Most were extremely happy to see Saddam go. For while he was in power, terror reigned and anyone who said anything against the regime was "dissapeared"...up to 300,000 victims in all. You can see the sad evidence and the anguish in the photos of the mass graves as family members search through bags of bones looking for lost loved ones. How can we as a country even begin to relate to that? No, we put that sadistic nut into power, not knowing that he would become so absolutely corrupted by power. So now I feel we were right to go back and take him out. And for those who would argue that we brought death with the war...look for the real truth in todays Iraq....for almost all of the killings are by terrorist bombers or ambushes by baathists. We need to stay to make sure that the 20,000 thugs don't creep back into power should we exit before the new Iraq government has fully developed. Yes, the Iraqi's want the government to be Iraqi in content and don't want our (America's) ideas on that anymore. But yes also to the fact that the majority do want the freedom even as the terrorists and baathists try and beat the hope out of them.

In case you have not been listening to Al Queida...they are truely at war with us and demand that we all convert to Islam (which translates into "surrender" in arabic) or die. Kind of reminds me of the vermin in the movie "Independence Day". Bush has taken the fight over there. And they do stream to it. But if we don't get this move right (democracy for Iraq and Afghanistan), the fight will get worse and will come back over here with a vengence. For the terrorists understand force and should we pull out, that will but embolden them to do more. They are in this for the long haul. So are we. Maybe we are spending billions, but time and God above will be the final judges as to whether or not that is wise. Freedom does cost a lot. Too many of us in America just don't understand that cause we are too much into self gratification to really even think about that. Me? I will take my clues from God above...and he has been working over in Iraq. And he does want peace for those people. They are international brothers and what we as normal Americans can do is pray for them...for prayer does work miracles. And maybe that is what democracy for Iraq will be ...a miracle.

Randy in the Burgh

Damon Borrelli
On 20 Jul 2004 at 16:40
Randy,
I'm quite puzzled by that last post. It seems heart-felt alright, "heartfeltly" sympathetic towards the many moslems who have perpetrated countless, vicious mortal assaults upon innocent people. I hope that when you are praying for the "innocent people in Iraq', you are including our solders who are dying every day during this senseless war.
I don't mean to be flippant, but all the hype and propaganda in the world is not going to change the fact that we are forcing this war on/for terrorism/independence upon a people who obviously didn't want it in the first place. Why does Iraqi independence have to come at the expense of the American people? Just like our independence came at our own expense and sacrafice.
Maybe its me. Maybe I'm just plain ignorant, but I apparently have lost sight of what it is that we are spending billions of dollars and sending our own solders off to die for.
Again, I'm not trying to be sarchastic, I just don't get it. When does it all end? What is it really for? And at what price?

Randy in the Burgh
On 18 Jul 2004 at 05:38
I think it is about time we hear from the Iraqi's themselves...you can get on the Iraqi blogs by going to the website at the end of this message. I have heard the truth from some of them and this is some of it . This was posted two days ago by "Mesopotamian" and is heart-felt and should answer the hype that our media dishes out daily. Food for thought...

THE MESOPOTAMIAN
TO BRING ONE MORE IRAQI VOICE OF THE SILENT MAJORITY TO THE ATTENTION OF THE WORLD

Thursday, July 15, 2004
THE MERCIFUL
Hi,

Well, of course the Arabs are our brothers in so far as we are an Arabic speaking people. And of course we don’t wish them harm. And how many sacrifices have the Iraqis made for their sake? So, we wish them well, generally speaking. However, how we wish they could be less stupid, less cruel and more understanding. Also it would be nice if they could become less selfish, less hypocritical, less addicted to lying, treachery and jealousy. That would be nice. And perhaps they could show a little more concern about the murder of our people, the destruction of our livelihood, the sabotage of our national assets and infrastructure. It would be even nicer if they could actually stop perpetrating these rather unfriendly acts.

Also, somewhat it seems to us that cutting the heads of hostages is not a particularly good way of illustrating the Arab and Islamic nobility of spirit; especially if it is done in the name of Allah. I mean we are puzzled, because we thought that Allah was The Merciful; the Compassionate. But hard as we try to understand our brothers, we don’t seem to be able to comprehend the merciful nature of their actions. Perhaps we are not sufficiently well trained philosophically and too ignorant to appreciate the finer points of theology and the relationship between beheadings and various forms of murder to monotheism and Jihad in the name of The Merciful, the Compassionate.

Also we thought that our religion preached tolerance and kindness towards others, but it seems that our lamentable ignorance of theology led us to these erroneous misconceptions. But then this is your fault, venerable Sheikhs. You have not made sufficient effort to enlighten and train us in the true precepts and ways of piety. We have yet to appreciate that the true way of the Lord calls for drenching the earth with human blood. We seem to remember that the Gods of paganism craved for human sacrifice; “The Gods are thirsty – Les Dieux Ont Soif ”. Do we have sneaking suspicions that these ancient creeds have crept back into your system of belief?

Oh, yes; Oh brothers and venerable Sheiks with the correct size of beards, we are in dire need of explanation from you to save us from our utter disbelief and bewilderment concerning your ways. We are in state of shock that threatens the very foundation of our own faith.

Salaam



# posted by Alaa : 5:36 PM

For more of the truth and for a variety of views from within Iraq, go to http://www.healingiraq.blogspot.com

Randy in the Burgh, praying for those innocent people and their children over there in Iraq

suzanne benoit
On 17 Jul 2004 at 18:21
Well, I've heard some very interesting points of view from both sides. What I see today is the younger generation of our country are mostly educated by music videos & movies that glamourize sex, drugs, and violence and very little positive messages. It's getting way too out of hand. And it's sad to see the most negative, hateful artists are laughing all the way to the bank at the expense of our children's psychies without giving anything back to society. What kind of message does this send to our kids?

I blame the negative media and negative hollywood opportunists like Michael Moore. Do you think he is opening up his wallet to help someone in need? Do you think he is setting a good example by stealing a prominent author's title and refusing to give it back, while sending his one-sided point of view to the people as though it is all truth? And that is coming from a Democrat!!!!

Those who sit back and just complain need to put up or shut up. Spread some love rather than hate and maybe you will get a more positive result and feel better about yourself and the world in the process.

Maybe with role models like Gary SInise and Laura Hillenbrand who are showing their support, we can turn this country around and stop the growing terrorism that is emerging with our own young citizens by being a good example.

Keri
On 07 Jul 2004 at 19:15
To Kerry4President2004,

A. If Kerry had been president these last 4 years, he would not have removed Saddam from power in Iraq because he wouldn't have the spine to do it. The people in that country would still be shoved alive into meat grinders...they'd still be feed alive to dobermans....they would still be used as a base upon which road pavement would be laid...pregnant wives would still be raped infront of their husbands until they aborted the baby and when the baby didn't abort, they would have their stomachs cut open and the baby's torn out...... I'm sorry, but the so called "torture" endured by a few real torturers is nothing compaired to the everyday tortures that the people in Iraq had to deal with. So if you can live with that on your conscience, then may God have mercy on your soul.

B. I hate the fact that I share a name with such a dispicable human being. Yah he cares about the little people...right. Is that why he married into a money? Twice....

Sorry for such a graphic post, but this was the reality of that country and there are just too many people in this country who either have no clue as to what was happening, or don't want to burden themselves with the facts of their pain. Time for a reality check.

Yvette
On 07 Jul 2004 at 17:24
I know that we have problems in this country.
Where I see the problem is that over past 30 years we have dumped money into public school and it has become worse. So all that shows is that you can pump as much money into a system, but if the people in the system do not want to help themselves it will never work.
This site shows if you want to help those who what to help themselves the sky is the limit. Isn't wonderful that we have that freedom to choose.
America is a Giving Country and wants to help others have the same freedons.


God Bless America!!!!

Damon Borrelli
On 07 Jul 2004 at 15:37
I just wanted to reiterate that my original intention here was to simply state my own personal feelings about this site, and how I feel that resources are better allocated at home rather than abroad regardless of how worse off any other nation is. That is not to say that I am an isolationist, once America is at 100%, I have no problem helping others, but only after we have reached that goal here at home.
I will say this though, as one who is still undecided as to where my vote will go in November, and has never voted Democrat in the past (and probably never will), Kerry4President2004 does seem to make some pretty valid points.

Randy in the Burgh
On 04 Jul 2004 at 03:56
Hey, Kerry4President2004,

Interesting list. Did you see the above comments on what is the subject matter and the fact that I drifted into politics and then realized that that is best suited for another venue? I disagree with your assessment, for any President dealing with the real world needs to change with the times and as the facts change. I was referring to election campaign stands (and no, I don't want to debate those as well).

I suggest that you find a political website and go there with your list. I really don't want to debate it here. I just want to get back to helping the kids out. Enough said.

Randy

Kerry4President2004
On 02 Jul 2004 at 17:29
Originally posted by: Randy in the Burgh

"I am a democrat but I will be voting for Bush because he is not constantly changing his position on things and he is the commander in chief in this new war."

Democrat my arse, lol. You mean like how Zell Miller is a Democrat? Give me a break.
You are completely clueless if you thing Bush hasn't changed his positions on various issues, they don't call him the "flip-flopper in-chief" for nothing.

From the beginning, George W. Bush has made his own credibility a central issue. On 10/11/00, then Governor Bush said: "I think credibility is important. It is going to be important for the president to be credible with Congress, important for the president to be credible with foreign nations." But President Bush's serial flip-flopping raises serious questions about whether Congress and foreign leaders can rely on what he says.

1. OPEC



BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES..."What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00]



...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]



2. Iraq Funding



BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004..."We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]



…BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 “I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops.” [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]



3. Condoleeza Rice Testimony



BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'...“Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference.” [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]



…BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: “Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony.” [President Bush, 3/30/04]



4. Science



BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]



...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]



5. Ahmed Chalabi



BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]



...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE"U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]

6. Department of Homeland Security

BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

7. Weapons of Mass Destruction

BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories…for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons. And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

8. Free Trade

BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]

9. Osama Bin Laden

BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]

...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA “I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him… I truly am not that concerned about him.” [President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

10. The Environment

BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to…establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]

...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]

11. WMD Commission

BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]

12. Creation of the 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]

13. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]

14. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony

BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday." [NY Times, 2/26/04]

...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]

15. Gay Marriage

BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]

16. Nation Building

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]

17. Saddam/al Qaeda Link

BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

18. U.N. Resolution

BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]

...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]

19. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict

BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area." [President Bush, 04/05/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President Bush, 5/23/03]

20. Campaign Finance

BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]

...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02]




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